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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Apr 17, 2010 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baba O'Reily (Roger D with the Dead, live)

Arbuthnot I totally agree re:VU and Iggy. I'll throw in the early Clash as a decent band (Johnny Ramone in the great doc. Ramones:End of the Century said that the Clash were the only ones that came close to their sound (in a good way-which for Johnny Ramone is like a compliment from Miles). I remember the SP "tour" and the media circus and following long and barren 80's. Talk about underground music. Too bad so much anti-gd in that crowd. Still I think I converted a few. Still love both styles. Also for VU check out the Quine Tapes- VU in SF, @ the Family Dog and the Matrix , in NOV '69 doing a 38 min. Sister Ray(among many other gems).

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Apr 17, 2010 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baba O'Reily (Roger D with the Dead, live)

I put the MC5 at or near the top of the punk movement pioneers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocwZKIUH650&;feature=related

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 17, 2010 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baba O'Reily (Roger D with the Dead, live)

Fred "Sonic" Smith married a gal that deserves some mention...

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Apr 17, 2010 2:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baba O'Reily (Roger D with the Dead, live)

most definitely!

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 18, 2010 2:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baba O'Reily (Roger D with the Dead, live)

Testify, my brother.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Apr 17, 2010 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baba O'Reily (Roger D with the Dead, live)

hell yeah, i think i have that 'Sister Ray', but off the 'Dispatches from the Dream Factory', a great collection of early VU, '66-69 ... do check out as well, if you haven't already, the 'Sister Ray' from The Gymnasium April '67, NYC, i think it's my favorite version

in '66 Lou was singing 'when i stick a spike into my vein...', and the Beatles wanted to hold your hand...

i believe the distinction & difference is quite evident

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 17, 2010 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baba O'Reily (Roger D with the Dead, live)

Arb, do you think there's some kind of "extra credit" given to any "punk" band that sings about heroin? i'm not trolling you, i'm seriously curious cuz it seems like you're arguing that the velvet underground (who btw i think suck and were never punk in any way shape or form) should be considered the godfathers of punk cuz they were singing about heroin while the stones were singing about girls.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Apr 17, 2010 2:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baba O'Reily (Roger D with the Dead, live)

"should be considered the godfathers of punk cuz they were singing about heroin"

absolutely not, and that definitely is not the gist of what i stated about VU, they would have been considered (i believe) the origin of the Punk aesthetic (along with the Stooges (and MC5 as someone else mentioned) had Lou not been singing about hard-core drug use, and certainly the VU were not the first band/artist to sing about drugs (wasn't implying that either), but Lou certainly didn't dance around the issue with metaphors, psychedelic meanderings & imagery to get his point across

and like i said, there were many influences on Punk, not all of them as evident as others, but from what i've read (and i certainly haven't read everything on the topic), the VU are largely considered the roots of what later became Punk music (the VU were not Punk per se, just one helluva major influence)

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Apr 17, 2010 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Baba O'Reily (Roger D with the Dead, live)

In '66 the Beatles were doing "Got to get you into my life" about marijuana, "She said, she said" about an acid trip George and John took with Peter Fonda, and "Tomorrow Never Knows" which is most definitely about tripping.

The Stones "Jumping Jack Flash" in 1968 is about shooting up heroin & cocaine.

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